Rule Update: Criteria Changes for On-Topic Dolls

**DoA Mod Squad** · 07-08-2008, 07:24 AM

Hello DoA,

We have updated DoA's criteria for dolls that we consider on-topic. Please see the following link for the full criteria:

http://www.denofangels.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=42407

Summary of the key changes:

Going forward, all dolls on DoA must be cast in resin. Several sculpts and lines have been grandfathered into the old criteria, but in the future will not be allowing dolls made of vinyl, PVC, hard-plastic, etc.
Going forward, dolls on DoA will need to have a certain degree of articulation. In general, you will not find that this impacts many sculpts; several sculpts have been grandfathered into the criteria, but in the future all dolls will need to have joints at the neck, shoulder, elbow, wrist, hips, knees, and ankles.
We have added a bit more clarification to the "aesthetic" portion of the criteria.

If you have any questions, please post them in this thread. (Though posts intended to debate the inclusion of specific dolls will be removed.)

Thank you!

bluegirlwish · 07-08-2008, 10:24 AM

Out of curiosity, will future Rei-Tenshi count? Since they only have rotation at the thighs, neck, and shoulders.

Kiyakotari · 07-08-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bluegirlwish

Out of curiosity, will future Rei-Tenshi count? Since they only have rotation at the thighs, neck, and shoulders.

This is what I was wondering, too. Some of them have a bit more than that - mine has jointed ankles - but others have even less, like JennyNemesis' Jimmy. And Volks has indicated that they'll be coming out with even smaller sculpts, haven't they? These will probably have even less articulation, or the same amount.

**Zagzagael** · 07-08-2008, 10:53 AM

Yes, past, present and future -Tenshi will be on-topic.

ka_la_la_lira · 08-27-2008, 01:33 AM

How do you decide these changes? Are they based on personal opinions, the amount of users with certain types, the changing types of abjs available...? Would you ever consider putting up polls to let users decide if they wanted certain arguable aspects in or out?
As mods, I know you're allowed to pick and choose, I'm just curious.

Fénicia · 08-27-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DoA Mod Squad

[*]Going forward, dolls on DoA will need to have a certain degree of articulation. In general, you will not find that this impacts many sculpts; several sculpts have been grandfathered into the criteria, but in the future all dolls will need to have joints at the neck, shoulder, elbow, wrist, hips, knees, and ankles.

So some Volks SD doll are not alloud as they don't have any joint at the hips.

This is my girl Taya and she is a Volks SD Mimi and hasn't got a joint at the hips as you can see on this pic.

**Junkets** · 08-27-2008, 01:00 PM

Ka_la_la_lira, we base our decisions on many things, including what the hobby started out as and taking into consideration new developments. At this point, we will not be putting dolls up for member vote to decide on or off-topicness.

Fenicia, I'm not quite sure what you mean...the picture of your doll shows quite clearly that she has a hip joint, otherwise she could not be sitting.

Fénicia · 08-27-2008, 01:18 PM

Nope, she doesn't has a hipjoint, she also sits like Barbie does, using her legjoints. Her torso is just one sollid piece of resin.

A side-view-pic of her sitting.

z3r0 · 08-27-2008, 01:26 PM

Fénicia, the joint that holds the legs onto the torso is the "hip" joint.
I think you mean she has no "torso" joint, the SD10 bodies don't, which is probably why the mods left it out. Same as the b-line minifee to name just one more.

**Zagzagael** · 08-27-2008, 01:42 PM

Yes, that's all correct - this doll does have joints that allow her to sit - many bjd sculpts are solid torso-ed, some have a single joint in the torso and some have double-joints in the torso!

Thanks!

Fénicia · 08-27-2008, 01:48 PM

Ok

My misstake.

Hentai Onna-chan · 08-28-2008, 09:49 PM

Does the "Must Be cast in resin" rule apply to handmade BJDs? in the Resins and Original Sculpt Attributes section and the Artists' Asian-styled BJDs section?

**Junkets** · 08-29-2008, 05:05 AM

While dolls are being worked on, they may be made of any material the artist wishes. However, in order to be sold through the MP, posted about in News, or showcased in the Gallery, Artist BJDs must be cast in resin.

ari_heian · 08-29-2008, 10:59 AM

So in the future, Volks Dollfie Dream dolls and Obitsu dolls will not be allowed?

~Ari

Ravnsvart · 08-29-2008, 11:06 AM

Does this mean that selling Obitsu dolls in the marketplace is no longer allowed? Unwise of me to postphone selling mine then

Yunabug · 08-29-2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DoA Mod Squad

In general, you will not find that this impacts many sculpts; several sculpts have been grandfathered into the criteria, but in the future all dolls will need to have joints at the neck, shoulder, elbow, wrist, hips, knees, and ankles.

So WHY are Rei-Tenshi's allowed? Is it just because they are Volks dolls? I'm not a fan of Obitsu, but I think it is ridiculous how they are now off topic after being ON topic for so long. And that there is an exception made for a Volks doll.
So if Dollmore or Luts or whatever company came out with a doll jointed like the Rei's, would it be considered on topic as well?

Not to sound bitchy or anything, but why is this exception being made?

Kurosakura · 08-29-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DoA Mod Squad

Several sculpts and lines have been grandfathered into the old criteria...

...several sculpts have been grandfathered into the criteria...

^^^ I'm pretty damn sure that means Dollfie Dream / Obitsu will stay as they have been grandfathered in. Same for the Rei-Tenshi as they were being displayed before criteria for number of joints was written up.

Yunabug · 08-29-2008, 11:29 AM

Ohhhh.... I totally misread that. It sounded like they were pretty much deeming Obitsu's and such off topic, in which case, I would have been a little upset if they had still allowed Rei.

June · 08-29-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurosakura

^^^ I'm pretty damn sure that means Dollfie Dream / Obitsu will stay as they have been grandfathered in. Same for the Rei-Tenshi as they were being displayed before criteria for number of joints was written up.

Hate to burst your bubble buuuuuuuuuuuuuut it says that ones that have been grandfathered in that were made of PVC, hard plastic, and resin wont be allowed anymore...

at least that's my understanding of it anyway *shrugs* so from what I see is no Obitsus, period. No matter the size.

Kurosakura · 08-29-2008, 01:33 PM

*sighs*

From the thread that is a full list of the rules and that has been updated (what is above is merely a summary of the changes):

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Originally Posted by DoA Mod Squad

*GRANDFATHERED SCULPTS

The following sculpts were allowed on the forum prior to the current criteria set and have been grandfathered as a courtesy to allow their owners to continue to share them here. Please note, these specific sculpts and lines are allowed; it is not a blanket acceptance of all sculpts or lines similar to them.

Dollfie Dream lines
Obitsu 60cm lines
Volks Reitenshi
Unoa Light
Unoa 2nd
DIM Minimee
Baby Supia

07-08-2008, 07:24 AM	#1
DoA Mod Squad DoA's Moderating Team Join Date: Dec 1969 Status: Active	Criteria Changes for On-Topic Dolls Hello DoA, We have updated DoA's criteria for dolls that we consider on-topic. Please see the following link for the full criteria: http://www.denofangels.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=42407 Summary of the key changes: Going forward, all dolls on DoA must be cast in resin. Several sculpts and lines have been grandfathered into the old criteria, but in the future will not be allowing dolls made of vinyl, PVC, hard-plastic, etc. Going forward, dolls on DoA will need to have a certain degree of articulation. In general, you will not find that this impacts many sculpts; several sculpts have been grandfathered into the criteria, but in the future all dolls will need to have joints at the neck, shoulder, elbow, wrist, hips, knees, and ankles. We have added a bit more clarification to the "aesthetic" portion of the criteria. If you have any questions, please post them in this thread. (Though posts intended to debate the inclusion of specific dolls will be removed.) Thank you! __________________ For a full list of the individual forum moderators and administrators, click here. This account does not accept PMs. Please message an individual moderator/administrator.

07-08-2008, 10:24 AM	#2
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07-08-2008, 10:53 AM	#4
Zagzagael ART_iculated Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northern California Status: Active	Yes, past, present and future -Tenshi will be on-topic. __________________ Got Signature? My Sard banner is the exact size allowed! I am an active DoA Mod - please feel free to pm me with questions or concerns!

08-27-2008, 01:00 PM	#7
Junkets Patchwork Seraphim Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: the wilds of NY Posts: 7,126	Ka_la_la_lira, we base our decisions on many things, including what the hobby started out as and taking into consideration new developments. At this point, we will not be putting dolls up for member vote to decide on or off-topicness. Fenicia, I'm not quite sure what you mean...the picture of your doll shows quite clearly that she has a hip joint, otherwise she could not be sitting. __________________ Those hairline cracks running through me are stronger than your wholeness. Every stitch on me represents an obstacle I've overcome. gu sìorraidhbràth Stardust Asylum

08-27-2008, 01:18 PM	#8
Fénicia Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Antwerp - Belgium Posts: 95	Nope, she doesn't has a hipjoint, she also sits like Barbie does, using her legjoints. Her torso is just one sollid piece of resin. A side-view-pic of her sitting. __________________ The Mermaid My conpics My DoA Feedback Thread Last edited by Fénicia; 08-27-2008 at 01:21 PM.

08-27-2008, 01:33 AM	#5
ka_la_la_lira Thriving on Melodrama Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Twilight Posts: 75	How do you decide these changes? Are they based on personal opinions, the amount of users with certain types, the changing types of abjs available...? Would you ever consider putting up polls to let users decide if they wanted certain arguable aspects in or out? As mods, I know you're allowed to pick and choose, I'm just curious.

08-27-2008, 01:26 PM	#9
z3r0 NO MORE DOLLS, PLEASE T^T Join Date: May 2007 Location: Preston, England Posts: 1,693	Fénicia, the joint that holds the legs onto the torso is the "hip" joint. I think you mean she has no "torso" joint, the SD10 bodies don't, which is probably why the mods left it out. Same as the b-line minifee to name just one more. __________________ \|Migi Ryu - Naizen \| YoSD Kanon - Secret Selling: Volks Kun Head [in uk]

08-27-2008, 01:42 PM	#10
Zagzagael ART_iculated Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northern California Status: Active	Yes, that's all correct - this doll does have joints that allow her to sit - many bjd sculpts are solid torso-ed, some have a single joint in the torso and some have double-joints in the torso! Thanks! __________________ Got Signature? My Sard banner is the exact size allowed! I am an active DoA Mod - please feel free to pm me with questions or concerns!

08-27-2008, 01:48 PM	#11
Fénicia Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Antwerp - Belgium Posts: 95	Ok My misstake. __________________ The Mermaid My conpics My DoA Feedback Thread

08-28-2008, 09:49 PM	#12
Hentai Onna-chan Has a Wu and Pixie~ Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Westminster land in the US Posts: 57	Does the "Must Be cast in resin" rule apply to handmade BJDs? in the Resins and Original Sculpt Attributes section and the Artists' Asian-styled BJDs section? Last edited by Hentai Onna-chan; 08-28-2008 at 09:51 PM.

08-29-2008, 05:05 AM	#13
Junkets Patchwork Seraphim Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: the wilds of NY Posts: 7,126	While dolls are being worked on, they may be made of any material the artist wishes. However, in order to be sold through the MP, posted about in News, or showcased in the Gallery, Artist BJDs must be cast in resin. __________________ Those hairline cracks running through me are stronger than your wholeness. Every stitch on me represents an obstacle I've overcome. gu sìorraidhbràth Stardust Asylum

08-29-2008, 10:59 AM	#14
ari_heian I Am The Walrus Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Reed College, Portland, OR Posts: 319	So in the future, Volks Dollfie Dream dolls and Obitsu dolls will not be allowed? ~Ari __________________ Everyone's heard of Prometheus, who brought us fire, but few people know about his little brother Amaterumetheus, who brought us duct tape. Roommate: Lucy Diamond, hippie princess extraordinaire

08-29-2008, 11:06 AM	#15
Ravnsvart Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 549	Does this mean that selling Obitsu dolls in the marketplace is no longer allowed? Unwise of me to postphone selling mine then __________________ At Home: Ingarth, Irmelin,Trym, Njord, Gard, Hugin, Munin, Arolin, Hanna, Rød, Gretel and unnamed Shushu

08-29-2008, 11:29 AM	#18
Yunabug What it is, homie? Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Alabama =^._.^= Posts: 784	Ohhhh.... I totally misread that. It sounded like they were pretty much deeming Obitsu's and such off topic, in which case, I would have been a little upset if they had still allowed Rei. __________________ I am officially out of the hobby. Sold all the dolls, clothes, and accessories.